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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jul 25, 2009 8:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Dark Star

The quintessential jam song by the Grateful Dead. The heydey of Dark Star is 1968-1974, most specifically 1969-1972...There is no "best version" ever per say, but it can be said that there are definitely a short list of "hall of fame" versions that most folks agree on as a top five or so...

The following is a list of 8 highly recommended versions...

1.) 08-27-1972 Veneta - one of the King Daddy versions, the band runs the gamet from a forward drifting jam propelling you further into wah tinged psychadelia with an apocolyptic break down...
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-08-27.sbd.latvala-eaton-lutch-dankseed.4682.shnf

2.) 02-13-1970 Fillmore East - epic, with a fantastic feeling groovy jam, the jam is fully realized...commercial release Dick's Picks 4

3.) 09-19-1970 Fillmore East - on par with 02-13, perhaps a half notch below, the band also explores achieving that minimal space beofore bringing the jam to another great feelin' groovy jam...http://www.archive.org/details/gd1970-09-19.sbd.reynolds.97906.flac16

4.) 05-11-1972 Rotterdam Civic Hall - one of the best '72 shows, awesome quality...http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-05-11.sbd.ashley-bertha.7364.sbefail.shnf

5.) 11-11-1973 Winterland - great jams, best version of 1973...http://www.archive.org/details/gd1973-11-11.sbd.pitch-corrected.miller.88485.sbeok.flac16

6.) 02-27-1969 Fillmore West - Live Dead version, all the themes bouncing around at this time come together in this version...commercial release, no version available in Archive

7.) 09-20-1990 Madison Square Garden - highlights a magnificent post space segment of a truly classic late era show...X-factor comes alive...http://www.archive.org/details/gd1990-09-20.sbd.miller.tetzeli.28691-fix.34629.sbeok.shnf

8.) 02-15-1973 Dane County - nicely jammed goes into Eyes...http://www.archive.org/details/gd73-02-15.sbd.hall.1580.sbeok.shnf

others deserving mention: 08-23-1968 (V2 release), 03-01-1969 (dense), 04-05-1969, 04-27-1969, 02-18-1971, 04-28-1971, 04-08-1972, 09-27-1972 (Dick's Picks), 10-28-1972, 06-10-1973, 10-19-1973, 02-24-1974, 09-10-1974, 10-18-1974, 12-31-1978, 07-13-1984 (encore), 10-26-1989, 03-29-1990, 04-01-1991, 09-22-1993





This post was modified by stratocaster on 2009-07-26 03:51:51

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jul 25, 2009 8:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star

Ah, Dark Star....the cause of many a deadhead quarrel....duels have been fought over this issue.....friendships lost, and reputations sunk....

But here are some Dark Stars I prefer to the ones on strat's list:

1) Veneta may be king, but 11-13-72 is the Dark Emperor of the Apocalypse.
2) I always preferred 1-2-70 to 2-13-70 for some reason.
3) I concede 9-19-70 as being supreme, but will submit 11-2-69 as being in the same emotional class.
4) The spacier May '72 Stars are excellent, but April '72 is where to turn for knockout blows - and 4-8-72 is the top of the heap.
5) 11-11-73 may well be the best Star of the year (and 10-19-73 is a runner-up), but 12-6-73 is the darkest Star.
6) OK, can't knock Live Dead, but '69 is the Year of the Star, and there must be room for 2-22-69, 4-22-69, 4-27-69, 5-31-69, 6-27-69, 7-7-69, 8-30-69, 11-7-69....'69 fans will know I'm leaving out twice as many....
7) 10-26-89 packs quite a punch for the era.
8) I think 2-15-73 is also my favorite Star of early '73, though I only consider it half a Star (and 2-26, 3-16 & 3-28 are awfully sweet) - it's one of those '73 versions where Phil says "step aside, boys."
9) Someone mentioned 10-31-71 - but also check out 10-24-71! (And leave some room for the delicious Nov/Dec '71 Stars too.)
10) Summer/fall '72 can't be overlooked either, with awesome Stars crashing right & left from Jersey to Berkeley....like spring '72, the jams here usually range from great to awesome, and I can hardly choose from the galactic riches.

You'll pardon my not providing links as usual, but I fear this thread will quickly disappear under a new wave of rants tomorrow.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jul 25, 2009 11:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star

Yeah, LIA, 1/2/70! This is the "T.C" show I was referring to in that thread, a real gem.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-01-02.early-late.sbd.cotsman.18120.sbeok.shnf

This post was modified by Styrofoam Cueball on 2009-07-26 06:12:17

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jul 26, 2009 8:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star

on no other piece of Dead music is so subjective to consider...you have the intro and verse riffs (and in the old school the chording intro into St. Stephen) basically a A-G comp with an Em section and the rest is all up in the fucking air...it can offer so much in the jams in terms of tempo, dissonance, melody, etc. most people's favortie Dark Stars often reflect what they look for most in the music...to do Dark Star justice we would need a 1top 20 list...the 69' versions are pretty consistent and the jams are pretty much in the same pocket...April 1969 might be one of the best Dark Star months in their history...

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Poster: billydlions Date: Jul 25, 2009 6:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star

You've got to include the last great Dark Star, 7-13-84.

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Jul 25, 2009 7:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star

Listening as you type I imagine to DP 4 - the wonderfully serene thoughtful and well recorded Fillmore East 1970 masterpiece. Dark Star>The Other One>Lovelight... 90 minutes of unstoppable bliss. The Feeling Groovy jam is well played and the whole Dark Star has an unusual tone/groove to it.
What else can you say. Epic set at the Fillmore East...

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Poster: Ernie Bo-Peep Date: Jul 25, 2009 10:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star

All great recommendations so far and I just want to add 10/25/69 to the honorable mention category. It's often overlooked for some reason.

I recently enjoyed 7/18/72, 11/26/72 and 3/28/73.
None of them I would put in my top ten but they are extremely good!

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1970-06-24.aud.unknown.gadsden-reynolds.100223.flac16
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-07-18.sbd.miller.32878.flac16
http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-11-26.sbd.cotsman.9248.sbeok.shnf
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1973-03-28.sbd.miller.86459.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jul 26, 2009 12:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star

I don't overlook 10-25-69....it's just that with so many good Stars from that period, you can't mention all of them all the time!
It's funny though, everyone who brings up 10-25-69 here says it's overlooked....but check out the show reviews.
If you want overlooked awesome versions, try 12-4-69, or 4-24-70, or 12-15-72, or....

7-18-72 is a wonderful, fiery Star - I'd put it in a top ten of '72 at least.
11-26-72 may have my favorite Feelin' Groovy, Jerry's tone is unbelievable.
3-28-73 is really good (and long), but part of what makes it great is being in that incredible one-of-a-kind medley.

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Poster: countmlbjam Date: Jul 27, 2009 3:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star

6-24-73 is one of my favorites. It's not mentioned very often, but definitely worth checking out.

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Jul 26, 2009 5:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star

Every time I hear the opening notes, I feel like I've come home somehow, home to a place where my best self belongs. Although I play 2-27-69 and 2-13-70 more often than others, I also remember what TC (I think) said somewhere -- that you don't play Dark Star, it's always playing somewhere in the universe and musicians merely catch a ride on it for a bit (or words to that effect).

So in recent months I've been taking them almost at random and appreciating whichever one comes up on my iPod. I don't have as much patience as many of you do for the spacey segments; they got lost in space pretty often, and I need at least some semblance of rhythm or melody to keep my interest. Of course, rhythm and melody are best appreciated when they emerge from chaos.

Anyway, there's much to be said for *not* seeking out best versions of this particular piece.

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Jul 25, 2009 9:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star

I would also have to mention the following:

1/2/70 http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-01-02.early-late.sbd.cotsman.18120.sbeok.shnf

4/22/69 http://www.archive.org/details/gd1969-04-22.sbd.miller.88466.sbeok.flac16

4/23/69 http://www.archive.org/details/gd1969-04-23.sbd.miller.88501.sbeok.flac16

9/10/72 http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-09-10.sbd.winters.17690.sbeok.shnf

and 11/8/70 http://www.archive.org/details/gd1970-11-08.aud.lee.pcrp.26975.shnf

This post was modified by SkyDawg on 2009-07-26 04:17:43

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Poster: falconcry77 Date: Jul 25, 2009 6:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star

gotta add 4-08-72 from steppin' out. great album, great version of dark star. it gets into the thick of it uncharacteristically quickly, and reaches some unique places for the tour. great keith work.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jul 25, 2009 8:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star

Nice list. While I don't agree with all of it, that has more to do with a pre- '74 bias for this tune.

Looking to the post-hiatus stuff...no Miami '89? That's the "scary" one...

Just nitpicking, though. Really good list overall. :)

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Jul 25, 2009 8:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star

here's one i was at skuzzlebutt you might like >http://www.archive.org/details/gd1991-04-01.sbd.miller.31966.sbeok.flac16 i sure did!! :)

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Jul 25, 2009 8:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star

Cleveland Public Hall 73-12-06 This DS has it all soft and sweet as well as brain cell killing hystereia.For me the kookier the better. thats just me. I never got the chance to hear a DS live, But when I put this one on the nerve endings in my cranium stand at attention.The song, this version makes me feel like I had a Psyliociben (sic?) sandwich when actually I never had anything stonger than a peanut butter and jelly. Gotta love the Dead especially when there scaring the chidren. From Ohio ( the heart of it all) Peace ya bunch of Freaks

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jul 25, 2009 8:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star

more than anything, i was trying to get this forum back on track...just a quick list of 8...03-29-90 I left off as well...I could rattle off another 10 real fast that deserve mention...

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Jul 25, 2009 10:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star

Thanks to you strat and Rings for bringing us back to the music in your posts. Even if we discuss Dark Star for the umpteenth millionth time, that's OK with me. It just makes me play a few of them over again.

"Ain't no time to hate; barely time to wait."

"Let there be songs to fill the air!"

BTW, LIA, I never got around to thanking you for all your scholarly insightful posts.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jul 25, 2009 11:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star

For which I sincerely applaud you. We are the only Moderators we have...

While listening to early Dark Stars, this is what you might have seen...

1968?

This post was modified by Styrofoam Cueball on 2009-07-26 06:13:01

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jul 25, 2009 9:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star

Kudos for anything not relating to the troll BS going on right now. I don't know which is worse...the worm in question, or the people who insist of feeding him....(I guess the former, since I've seen some pretty cool folks give into their frustration and lash out out Joe Toolbox).

Thanks for keeping the focus on the tunes.

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Poster: Death&Mercy Date: Jul 25, 2009 5:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star

1. DP2 - Jerry's greatest moment. Every note pierces the brain, just blows you away.

2. 3/23/72 - brilliant Dead at their fines. Phil leads the way.

3. Rockin the Rhein - fuckin Uncle. Who'du thunk it? More brilliant 72 Dead.

4. 11/11/73 - jazzy Dead. Weir leads the way. Huh? What?

5. 02/27/69 - original Dead.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Jul 25, 2009 5:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star

Dark Star - June 10, 1973 belongs on this short list

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 25, 2009 6:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star

Ah, 9-19! Glad to see that in there, though I know you have spoken highly of it before when I have babbled on about it...also, 2-13, which I have come to really appreciate thanks to someone here abouts...damn, was it Lobster? I am really getting bad at recalling this stuff.

Any, thanks, Strat...oh, and I never knew you appreciated Vince so much...

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Poster: barongsong Date: Jul 26, 2009 9:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star

Perhaps you were referring to this post a couple months ago? http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=249577

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 26, 2009 10:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star

Right! And it turns out GB and mcganahan like it too as they both turned up in all the posts I found above...

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Poster: barongsong Date: Jul 26, 2009 7:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star

hey yea my server connection was down for the last week so I was trying to catch up. {looks like I picked a good week to miss with all the troll fun} Should have posted it to the thread above this one. Thanks for the interesting links.

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Poster: olderhead Date: Jul 26, 2009 9:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star

Mr. Tell,
I introduced myself to the group not long before "The Troll" appeared and during the time your computer was down. I enjoy your postings and, if my memory serves me right, might you reside in "Red Rock Country(like me)?" If so, please send me a private email and we'll take it from there. thx

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Poster: GennyBenni Date: Jul 25, 2009 8:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dark Star

2-13-70 changed my life, without exaggeration. i know every single note.

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